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PostSubject: Closure.   Sat May 14, 2011 6:15 pm

Finaaaaalllllyyyyy.
It feels nice.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sat May 14, 2011 6:21 pm

Who'd you murder this time?
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sat May 14, 2011 6:30 pm

My heart.

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sat May 14, 2011 6:34 pm


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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sat May 14, 2011 7:21 pm

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My heart.


Awwww.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 15, 2011 12:56 am

Weather's been moody here... like Panda. Could you stop crying...

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 2:29 am

Oh no.
Unclosure'd.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 2:53 am

Yay tornado season! -_-

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 4:02 pm

Women are confusing.
A-train, why are women either extremely simple or extremely complicated?
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 5:42 pm

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Women are confusing.
A-train, why are women either extremely simple or extremely complicated?

'Cause they either want it... or want you to work at it.

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 7:29 pm

I wasn't talking to you, S-Bus.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Sun May 29, 2011 11:50 pm

Because all women are manipulative.

And men are tools.

So women are complex. Overly complex.


Of course, you've got your dumb as hell chicks, which are the simple ones.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 12:07 am

I think the issue is that we're both manipulative to the nth degree.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 2:01 am

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I think the issue is that we're both manipulative to the nth degree.

Speak for youself mang, I manipulate no one to do anything, nor do I feel like I've been manipulated into anything.

The best psychology can come up with is that given what we have tested so far humans are irrational animals whose personalities are not defined by robust traits that last throughout someone's life. When these traits are tested, people are not likely to pick the same result based off these traits every time. Instead people make choices based off of emotions, and come up with post hoc rationalizations (people come up with reasons why they acted after they have already acted). Oh and things like charity and goodwill are highly influenced by the situation the person is in. For example:

There was a test that waited for people to go into a phonebooth, make a call, and then come out. Once they had exited, a person who was working with the researchers would accidentally spill her files all over the sidewalk. The test was to see who was more likely to help, people who didn't find any coins or people who did. The results were that a statistically relevant higher percentage of people who found a coin, then helped the person who spilled the papers. The point is that people's actions can be highly influenced by environmental conditions, not logic or morality, etc.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 2:09 am

I think I'm just tired.
But I have no idea how to connect that to my post.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 2:19 am

Nawkes wrote:
I think I'm just tired.
But I have no idea how to connect that to my post.

You were talking about the genders, complexity and simplicity, etc?

I was just giving you a basic interpretation of a statistically proven statement on human action.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 11:44 am

Ixidor Asgrod wrote:
Nawkes wrote:
I think the issue is that we're both manipulative to the nth degree.

Speak for youself mang, I manipulate no one to do anything, nor do I feel like I've been manipulated into anything.

The best psychology can come up with is that given what we have tested so far humans are irrational animals whose personalities are not defined by robust traits that last throughout someone's life. When these traits are tested, people are not likely to pick the same result based off these traits every time. Instead people make choices based off of emotions, and come up with post hoc rationalizations (people come up with reasons why they acted after they have already acted). Oh and things like charity and goodwill are highly influenced by the situation the person is in. For example:

There was a test that waited for people to go into a phonebooth, make a call, and then come out. Once they had exited, a person who was working with the researchers would accidentally spill her files all over the sidewalk. The test was to see who was more likely to help, people who didn't find any coins or people who did. The results were that a statistically relevant higher percentage of people who found a coin, then helped the person who spilled the papers. The point is that people's actions can be highly influenced by environmental conditions, not logic or morality, etc.

Yeah... no... I don't buy that.

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 3:24 pm

Scott Chain wrote:
Yeah... no... I don't buy that.

This is the book if you want to read it:
Link

And here is a sort of breakdown of some parts of the book:
Link

Granted, not all of what I said will be in there, but the book spends a lot of time breaking down the idea that people have these defining characteristics about them that are permanent and unfaltering. He doesn't argue that people do have some characteristics that last over time, but not in the same way people usually prescribe things like "brave" to other people.

And I suppose I should have added that what I said isn't the end all and be all, there are certain outliers in society who certainly will do things like manipulation of others for gain or pleasure. But those people are a tiny minority, and it's best left up to a psychologist to determine personality disorders.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 5:05 pm

No no no... the test is far fetched. Their hypothesis could be right for all I know. I mean... there are so many open ends in it. How was the persons acting that spilled the papers? Why are you assuming that because they found a coin they are likely to help? I could compare a coconut to peoples sleeping habits and claim there's a correlation when half of them sleep better when they eat coconut two hours before bed. It's a weak correlation with weak statistics in an unproven control group. There are simply too many variables. Granted maybe there was more to the test than you stated, but I just don't buy it. There are too many variables involved with human behavior.

Also... who's to say they're a minority? It has been repeatedly seen that human behavior = unpredictable. That unpredictable behavior is not secluded to a rare few individual outliers. Ugh... I don't know why I'm even getting into this. I just don't like bad scientific method. x.x

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Mon May 30, 2011 5:54 pm

I still don't see it.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Tue May 31, 2011 12:24 am

She's toying with me.
I know she is.
But crap... I literally can't resist.
I see the cliff coming but I won't step on the brake.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Tue May 31, 2011 3:14 am

Hit the acceleration and jump across the canyon to the other side.

Scream "YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW" whilst doing so.

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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Tue May 31, 2011 5:30 am

Looks like them Duke boys are at it again.
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PostSubject: Re: Closure.   Tue May 31, 2011 1:05 pm

I think Turry's explanation makes more sense than anything else in this thread...

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